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Comment by billcnz on aogs post  “Guglielmucci Youth Pastor at CLC Perth” (Mainly a post from GroupSects “Lie Detector..”)
 

If Planetshakers is a hedonistic mammon house like Brian Houston’s Hillsong empire, then the following critique may be helpful.

Hillsong church claims to represent Christianity.
Any Christian who decides that any of their practices or teachings contradict the Bible is OBLIGATED to state an objection, as otherwise they are being negligent to the Biblical command to be a WITNESS OF THE TRUTH.

Any displeased non Christian can also raise objections, but they should use the Bible as the basis of their complaint, as Hillsong may ignore criticism from “unbelievers”.
The Bible is the authority of Christianity, not church leaders. The Bible should be used to support critique of frauds.
The Bible can be searched online eg. http://www.biblegateway.com

Hillsong can easily be challenged by verses from search words like money, riches, greed, covet, immorality, etc.

There is also a good repository of authentic documentation concerning the truth behind the facades of Hillsong at http://www.christian-witness.org (use their search facility with words “Hillsong” and “Brian Houston”).

Obviously, criticising church systems interferes with unity, but unity is worthless unless it is with truth.

The Bible encourages discernment against falsehood, as otherwise Christians would be forced to unify with corruption when it infiltrated the church.

1 Thes 5:21-22 Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.

            Here is my critique –

At Hillsong, salvation is indirectly offered for sale through participation in a church business system supervised by business managers called pastors.

Brian Houston is following and promoting a FALSE CHRIST of hedonism (worldly indulgence).

Good things in extreme, or in the wrong situation, become evil.

1 Tim 6:10 NIV “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”

Brian Houston runs a gigantic church business system using a marketing ploy that appears as “Come to church, we’ve got party music, attractive girls, and money everywhere”.

Hebrews 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”
1 Thes 4:3-5 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God

In contrast, Brian Houston wrote a book “You need more money” and his wife Bobby “Kingdom women love sex”.

This is the seduction and worship of a false Christ who might be named “Mammon Jesus”.

Jesus Christ warned about false Christs (eg. Matt 24:24), so they can be named appropriately when they turn up.

Any unbiblical teaching about who Jesus Christ is, or what he wants us to do, creates a false Christ for people to follow.

Hillsong is built on the same premise as the Roman Catholic church institution, and others like it, that contradict the Bible:

The authority of men instead of the authority of the Bible.

The fear of men, instead of the fear of the Lord.

Prov 29:25 Fear of man will prove to be a SNARE, but whoever trusts in the LORD is KEPT SAFE.

Prov 14:26-27 He who fears the LORD has a secure fortress, and for his children it will be a refuge. The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death.

Where does the Hillsong money come from?

In this foul institution, faith blessing is PURCHASED WITH MONEY – no coins, only “the folding”, and credit cards.

This is a contradiction of the Bible and a manipulation of people, with potential for tremendous social harm.

In addition to the “faith money” there is all the merchandise – clothing, CD’s, DVD’s, books, seminars, etc. as well as income from all entities that Hillsong controls.
These are all tax free where they are registered under “not for profit” status.
It would also be worth knowing if they are siphoning off any government funds via social projects they create through their church entities.

 

The large Hillsong churches may be nothing more than entertainment factories that promote materialism to distract Christians from what they should be doing.

Luke 4:5-7 shows the Devil offering Jesus Christ worldly kingdoms in exchange for worship: “The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. So if you worship me, it will all be yours.”

 

Hillsong must be partnering with the Devil through their love of money and the building of worldly kingdoms.

Jesus Christ kicked the money enterprises out of the temple “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” (John 2:16 NKJV)

Matthew 6:24 NIV “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”

Christians should discern and reject fraudulent church ministries:

2 Cor 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Their end will be what their actions deserve!

1 Tim 6:11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

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If Planetshakers is a hedonistic mammon house like Brian Houston’s Hillsong empire, then the following critique may be helpful.
 
Hillsong church claims to represent Christianity.
Any Christian who decides that any of their practices or teachings contradict the Bible is OBLIGATED to state an objection, as otherwise they are being negligent to the Biblical command to be a WITNESS OF THE TRUTH.
 
Any displeased non Christian can also raise objections, but they should use the Bible as the basis of their complaint, as Hillsong may ignore criticism from “unbelievers”.
The Bible is the authority of Christianity, not church leaders. The Bible should be used to support critique of frauds.
The Bible can be searched online eg. http://www.biblegateway.com
Hillsong can easily be challenged by verses from search words like money, riches, greed, covet, immorality, etc.
 
There is also a good repository of authentic documentation concerning the truth behind the facades of Hillsong at http://www.christian-witness.org (use their search facility with words “Hillsong” and “Brian Houston”).
 
Obviously, criticising church systems interferes with unity, but unity is worthless unless it is with truth.
 
The Bible encourages discernment against falsehood, as otherwise Christians would be forced to unify with corruption when it infiltrated the church.
 
1 Thes 5:21-22 Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.
 
Here is my critique.
 
At Hillsong, salvation is indirectly offered for sale through participation in a church business system supervised by business managers called pastors.
 
Brian Houston is following and promoting a FALSE CHRIST of hedonism (worldly indulgence).
 
Good things in extreme, or in the wrong situation, become evil.
 
1 Tim 6:10 NIV “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”
 
Brian Houston runs a gigantic church business system using a marketing ploy that appears as “Come to church, we’ve got party music, attractive girls, and money everywhere”.
 
Hebrews 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”
1 Thes 4:3-5 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God
 
In contrast, Brian Houston wrote a book “You need more money” and his wife Bobby “Kingdom women love sex”.
 
This is the seduction and worship of a false Christ who might be named “Mammon Jesus”.
 
Jesus Christ warned about false Christs (eg. Matt 24:24), so they can be named appropriately when they turn up.
 
Any unbiblical teaching about who Jesus Christ is, or what he wants us to do, creates a false Christ for people to follow.
 
Hillsong is built on the same premise as the Roman Catholic church institution, and others like it, that contradict the Bible:
 
The authority of men instead of the authority of the Bible.
 
The fear of men, instead of the fear of the Lord.
 
Prov 29:25 Fear of man will prove to be a SNARE, but whoever trusts in the LORD is KEPT SAFE.
 
Prov 14:26-27 He who fears the LORD has a secure fortress, and for his children it will be a refuge. The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death.
 
Where does the Hillsong money come from?
 
In this foul institution, faith blessing is PURCHASED WITH MONEY – no coins, only “the folding”, and credit cards.
 
This is a contradiction of the Bible and a manipulation of people, with potential for tremendous social harm.
 
In addition to the “faith money” there is all the merchandise – clothing, CD’s, DVD’s, books, seminars, etc. as well as income from all entities that Hillsong controls.
These are all tax free where they are registered under “not for profit” status.
It would also be worth knowing if they are siphoning off any government funds via social projects they create through their church entities.
 
The large Hillsong churches may be nothing more than entertainment factories that promote materialism to distract Christians from what they should be doing.
 
Luke 4:5-7 shows the Devil offering Jesus Christ worldly kingdoms in exchange for worship: “The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. So if you worship me, it will all be yours.”
 
Hillsong must be partnering with the Devil through their love of money and the building of worldly kingdoms.
 
Jesus Christ kicked the money enterprises out of the temple “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” (John 2:16 NKJV)
 
Matthew 6:24 NIV “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”
 
Christians should discern and reject fraudulent church ministries:
 
2 Cor 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
 
Their end will be what their actions deserve!
 
1 Tim 6:11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

FORGIVE AND FORGET … HITLER, POL POT, LORD’s RESISTANCE ARMY, JEWISH ATTACK ON GAZA, ROBERT MUGABE, PLANETSHAKERS & CANCEROUS MIKE G ….

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     Of course, you go to Planetshakers, Joanna.  A banker too!  How nice.  You’d know about frauds.

      How many Church attenders did Pastor Mike G brainwash?  How many around Australia and further did he lie to, steal moneys, and turn away from authentic Christian values?  How many kids did he emotionally crush with his Planetshakers-approved ruse?  How many legitimate cancer patients did he make even more distressed by using the ultimate illness for his glorification?

     How many kids did he physically mentally or sexually interfere with by his unrestricted ‘carte blanche’ access to Planetshakers, Hillsong and other AOG megachurches?  (See Frank Houston, Mike Warnke, Pat Meseti, …)

     Go on, support your cowardly leaders, their ‘hush-hush’ attitudes and PR.  Don’t ask questions.  Don’t think for yourself for that’d be too dangerous. 

     WWJD?  Have you heard of Ananias and Sapphira?  Obviously the people running AOG/ACC megachurches haven’t either.

    Comments most welcome…

    Guglielmucci Youth Pastor at CLC Perth

     ///  Michael G (Wikipedia)

    ///   Comments from late August

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    19 Sep 08   by  Group   Sects

    Yay, my (Lie) Detector was working

    Lance writes….

    It turns out Michael Guglielmucci was the Youth Pastor at the Lakes group sect Christian Life Centre in Perth from 1999 to 2003, before going on to bigger and better lies.

    I think it’s worth regurgitating this observation I made on the (original) Signposts blog from January 19, 2007.

    I did a ‘cub report’ a few weeks back on my visit to the Planetshakers church in Perth..in particular it was a Wednesday night meeting of Lakes CLC in Northbridge.

    The young people went out of their way to make an old fart like me feel welcome.

    However they were being force-fed a lot of shit from the youth pastor [Matt Garner – Michael Guglielmucci’s successor] about how good it would be to be rich and the importance of being ‘awesome’…..the usual crap from these churches.

    Great young people slowly being corrupted….. is my take on Planetshakers.

    And it’s run by a generation of young leaders who were themselves corrupted in the 80’s and 90’s.

    So the corrupt culture of false teaching is pretty firmly entrenched.

    One of the icky things about Planetshakers at the moment..is the pressure on one of their leaders to ‘be an example of being awesome’ while they’re dealing with cancer.

    I haven’t posted much about it, but I’m watching with interest how the church culture deals with something that’s ‘like, wow, hard, man’….”

    From http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/10/hillsongs-the-next-installment/comment-page-52/#comment-154711

    This posting

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    Ricmond AOG buzz

    from friends,…Let there be no confusion.  Senior Pastor David Doery is a modern dictator.  At a recent Vision night, a bubbly funfest evening where core believers gather every 3 months, with first-timers receiving chocolate bars, he said as much.  But he used spiitual terms, of course.  He said he was so happy to be part of a Church where his decisions were accepted by the pastoral team without dissent.   Think African dictatorship/ Divine Right cartoon…

    Last year and this year, RAOG has held a weekend Community Blitz where the Church renovates a few classrooms, garden, etc for a local government (cash-strapped) school. Of course, one big aim is to please the local Yarra Council whereby the 2000-strong car-adoring Church uses free Council land for a Carpark for its Services.  (The RAOG building has a few carspaces). Says CEO David Doery,  “We are NOT just a parking problem!!” So the Community Blitz is really political to keep sweet with the Council.  Smart pentecostal cookies!

     Then there was the Fast. RAOG called ‘Breakthrough’.  The idea was to give up smething – anything – for 21 days.  Modern Pentecostals that we are, we gave up hardcore items such as Facebook, coffee, or TV.  Setting a (poor)n example to the minions, CEO Doery gave up coffee, media and one day of food (but not liquids) a week. Missions head Georgina Butler fasted ALL 21 days.

    We had 3 guest speakers for the period.  They made a killing in ‘love offerings’.  Ah, to be a travelling evangelist.  $pirit-filled one!!

      Each speaker spoke at both weekend Services – Bruce Hills, Tim Hall and Jimmy Mutebi.  BH is the son of very popular former RAOG CEO Phil.  After a small stay at Richmond, Bruce moved to the sun at Garden City Christian Church, formerly Mt Gravatt AOG, Brisbane.  It has 6000 donors, er, attenders.  in mid-December, Bruce Hills announced his shock resignation from Garden City.

    If Bruce Hills was well and truly on the plump side. Tim Hall was in the SUMO category!!  Obesity is OK in megachurches.  (eg Obama-inaugurator Rick Warren of 5-campus Saddleback)  Aussie-born slob Hall told us that he was raising money to have a mass crusade in INDIA  Can you imagine all these poor, illiterate, food-deprived Indians seeing a fat WASP sloth on stage??  Accept Jesus and be as supersized as me!!

     There is a name for such converts to Christ – Rice Christians 12J immy Mutebi also knows where his bread is buttered.  He is African but works in American $$.  Of course, this showman never speaks about politics or injustice in Africa (eg Kenya, Congo) or burning Zimbabwe.  Who gives a damn about war & poverty? i’m an entertainer.  Man, just gimme the love offerin’.

    November 2008 comes. World Economic Chaos…  Didn’t stop RAOG  raising about 450,000 dollars in a 3-week blitzkrieg.  Wow!!  VeryPowerful airconditioners mercilessly sucked the $ out of pockets and handbags.  Extensive Church renovations were in progress, including (naturally) a bigger CEO office.

          Money  grows  on  pentecostal  trees.

               Just  shake …      __ 

    Don’t be a fool, PlanetshakersInsider

    http://planetshakersinsider.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/planetshakers-blog-hiatus/

       Has con-man Mikey Guglielmucci, his empty-headed wife, Planetsnakers, EDGE Church, $piritual AOG/ACC Executive, incestuous AOG ‘Church-Bank, won the war?? 

      With PlanetshakersInsider accepting ‘lay down misere’ surrender terms from the ACC Executive, it appears so.

      Has he/she also fallen in love with money & travel & meeting psycophantic  ‘YES-MEN’?  (psychophantic= psychology + sycophant).

       Congrats on your $8,000 conference.  ~Pastor Michael Cancer will be very pleased!~

        It is a sad day when one of the Pentecostal thinkers (needle in a haystack) contemplates giving up criticism.  There is so much to do to expose what is a  festering and influential sore inside the Australian Church.

    You are a whistleblower.  You are needed.  Your talents are not wasted.  Other thinkers – now and in future – depend on access to QUALITY  information.

    *****

    Cogito, ergo sum  (I think, therefore I am|| Je pense donc je suis – Rene Descartes)

    buzz_bender questions on Mike G

    « Reply #139 on: August 24, 2008, 07:15:19 PM »

    Question: How did he first become a leader if he has such a checkered past, or even having so much personal problems?
    How in the world did the leadership not find out about his fake terminal illness? How can the leadership and family not know? You mean he went for treatment alone, every single time? If he never went for treatment, no suspicions from anybody?? Like I said, I think this much fishier than it sounds on the surface. Something isn’t right.
    www.christiandl.com/index.php/topic,38057.125.html
    & & &
    [ Greed writes ]
    Did Pastor Mike have to go through police checks eg Working With Children? Did his priveledged background overide this normal requirement? If you would like to Comment, feel free…