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Comment by billcnz on aogs post  “Guglielmucci Youth Pastor at CLC Perth” (Mainly a post from GroupSects “Lie Detector..”)

 

If Planetshakers is a hedonistic mammon house like Brian Houston’s Hillsong empire, then the following critique may be helpful.

Hillsong church claims to represent Christianity.
Any Christian who decides that any of their practices or teachings contradict the Bible is OBLIGATED to state an objection, as otherwise they are being negligent to the Biblical command to be a WITNESS OF THE TRUTH.

Any displeased non Christian can also raise objections, but they should use the Bible as the basis of their complaint, as Hillsong may ignore criticism from “unbelievers”.
The Bible is the authority of Christianity, not church leaders. The Bible should be used to support critique of frauds.
The Bible can be searched online eg. http://www.biblegateway.com

Hillsong can easily be challenged by verses from search words like money, riches, greed, covet, immorality, etc.

There is also a good repository of authentic documentation concerning the truth behind the facades of Hillsong at http://www.christian-witness.org (use their search facility with words “Hillsong” and “Brian Houston”).

Obviously, criticising church systems interferes with unity, but unity is worthless unless it is with truth.

The Bible encourages discernment against falsehood, as otherwise Christians would be forced to unify with corruption when it infiltrated the church.

1 Thes 5:21-22 Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.

            Here is my critique –

At Hillsong, salvation is indirectly offered for sale through participation in a church business system supervised by business managers called pastors.

Brian Houston is following and promoting a FALSE CHRIST of hedonism (worldly indulgence).

Good things in extreme, or in the wrong situation, become evil.

1 Tim 6:10 NIV “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”

Brian Houston runs a gigantic church business system using a marketing ploy that appears as “Come to church, we’ve got party music, attractive girls, and money everywhere”.

Hebrews 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”
1 Thes 4:3-5 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God

In contrast, Brian Houston wrote a book “You need more money” and his wife Bobby “Kingdom women love sex”.

This is the seduction and worship of a false Christ who might be named “Mammon Jesus”.

Jesus Christ warned about false Christs (eg. Matt 24:24), so they can be named appropriately when they turn up.

Any unbiblical teaching about who Jesus Christ is, or what he wants us to do, creates a false Christ for people to follow.

Hillsong is built on the same premise as the Roman Catholic church institution, and others like it, that contradict the Bible:

The authority of men instead of the authority of the Bible.

The fear of men, instead of the fear of the Lord.

Prov 29:25 Fear of man will prove to be a SNARE, but whoever trusts in the LORD is KEPT SAFE.

Prov 14:26-27 He who fears the LORD has a secure fortress, and for his children it will be a refuge. The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death.

Where does the Hillsong money come from?

In this foul institution, faith blessing is PURCHASED WITH MONEY – no coins, only “the folding”, and credit cards.

This is a contradiction of the Bible and a manipulation of people, with potential for tremendous social harm.

In addition to the “faith money” there is all the merchandise – clothing, CD’s, DVD’s, books, seminars, etc. as well as income from all entities that Hillsong controls.
These are all tax free where they are registered under “not for profit” status.
It would also be worth knowing if they are siphoning off any government funds via social projects they create through their church entities.

 

The large Hillsong churches may be nothing more than entertainment factories that promote materialism to distract Christians from what they should be doing.

Luke 4:5-7 shows the Devil offering Jesus Christ worldly kingdoms in exchange for worship: “The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. So if you worship me, it will all be yours.”

 

Hillsong must be partnering with the Devil through their love of money and the building of worldly kingdoms.

Jesus Christ kicked the money enterprises out of the temple “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” (John 2:16 NKJV)

Matthew 6:24 NIV “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”

Christians should discern and reject fraudulent church ministries:

2 Cor 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Their end will be what their actions deserve!

1 Tim 6:11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

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If Planetshakers is a hedonistic mammon house like Brian Houston’s Hillsong empire, then the following critique may be helpful.

Hillsong church claims to represent Christianity.

Any Christian who decides that any of their practices or teachings contradict the Bible is OBLIGATED to state an objection, as otherwise they are being negligent to the Biblical command to be a WITNESS OF THE TRUTH.

Any displeased non Christian can also raise objections, but they should use the Bible as the basis of their complaint, as Hillsong may ignore criticism from “unbelievers”.

The Bible is the authority of Christianity, not church leaders. The Bible should be used to support critique of frauds.

The Bible can be searched online eg. http://www.biblegateway.com

Hillsong can easily be challenged by verses from search words like money, riches, greed, covet, immorality, etc.

There is also a good repository of authentic documentation concerning the truth behind the facades of Hillsong at http://www.christian-witness.org (use their search facility with words “Hillsong” and “Brian Houston”).

Obviously, criticising church systems interferes with unity, but unity is worthless unless it is with truth.

The Bible encourages discernment against falsehood, as otherwise Christians would be forced to unify with corruption when it infiltrated the church.

1 Thes 5:21-22 Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.

Here is my critique.

At Hillsong, salvation is indirectly offered for sale through participation in a church business system supervised by business managers called pastors.

Brian Houston is following and promoting a FALSE CHRIST of hedonism (worldly indulgence).

Good things in extreme, or in the wrong situation, become evil.

1 Tim 6:10 NIV “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”

Brian Houston runs a gigantic church business system using a marketing ploy that appears as “Come to church, we’ve got party music, attractive girls, and money everywhere”.

Hebrews 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

1 Thes 4:3-5 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God

In contrast, Brian Houston wrote a book “You need more money” and his wife Bobby “Kingdom women love sex”.

This is the seduction and worship of a false Christ who might be named “Mammon Jesus”.

Jesus Christ warned about false Christs (eg. Matt 24:24), so they can be named appropriately when they turn up.

Any unbiblical teaching about who Jesus Christ is, or what he wants us to do, creates a false Christ for people to follow.

Hillsong is built on the same premise as the Roman Catholic church institution, and others like it, that contradict the Bible:

The authority of men instead of the authority of the Bible.

The fear of men, instead of the fear of the Lord.

Prov 29:25 Fear of man will prove to be a SNARE, but whoever trusts in the LORD is KEPT SAFE.

Prov 14:26-27 He who fears the LORD has a secure fortress, and for his children it will be a refuge. The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, turning a man from the snares of death.

Where does the Hillsong money come from?

In this foul institution, faith blessing is PURCHASED WITH MONEY – no coins, only “the folding”, and credit cards.

This is a contradiction of the Bible and a manipulation of people, with potential for tremendous social harm.

In addition to the “faith money” there is all the merchandise – clothing, CD’s, DVD’s, books, seminars, etc. as well as income from all entities that Hillsong controls.

These are all tax free where they are registered under “not for profit” status.

It would also be worth knowing if they are siphoning off any government funds via social projects they create through their church entities.

The large Hillsong churches may be nothing more than entertainment factories that promote materialism to distract Christians from what they should be doing.

Luke 4:5-7 shows the Devil offering Jesus Christ worldly kingdoms in exchange for worship: “The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. So if you worship me, it will all be yours.”

Hillsong must be partnering with the Devil through their love of money and the building of worldly kingdoms.

Jesus Christ kicked the money enterprises out of the temple “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!” (John 2:16 NKJV)

Matthew 6:24 NIV “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”

Christians should discern and reject fraudulent church ministries:

2 Cor 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Their end will be what their actions deserve!

1 Tim 6:11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.

FORGIVE AND FORGET … HITLER, POL POT, LORD’s RESISTANCE ARMY, JEWISH ATTACK ON GAZA, ROBERT MUGABE, PLANETSHAKERS & CANCEROUS MIKE G ….

  http://conviviality80.blogspot.com/2009/03/pastor-michael-guglielmucci.html  

 

 

 Of course, you go to Planetshakers, Joanna.  A banker too!  How nice.  You’d know about frauds.

  How many Church attenders did Pastor Mike G brainwash?  How many around Australia and further did he lie to, steal moneys, and turn away from authentic Christian values?  How many kids did he emotionally crush with his Planetshakers-approved ruse?  How many legitimate cancer patients did he make even more distressed by using the ultimate illness for his glorification?

 How many kids did he physically mentally or sexually interfere with by his unrestricted ‘carte blanche’ access to Planetshakers, Hillsong and other AOG megachurches?  (See Frank Houston, Mike Warnke, Pat Meseti, …)

 Go on, support your cowardly leaders, their ‘hush-hush’ attitudes and PR.  Don’t ask questions.  Don’t think for yourself for that’d be too dangerous. 

 WWJD?  Have you heard of Ananias and Sapphira?  Obviously the people running AOG/ACC megachurches haven’t either.

Comments most welcome…

Don’t be a fool, PlanetshakersInsider

http://planetshakersinsider.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/planetshakers-blog-hiatus/

   Has con-man Mikey Guglielmucci, his empty-headed wife, Planetsnakers, EDGE Church, $piritual AOG/ACC Executive, incestuous AOG ‘Church-Bank, won the war?? 

  With PlanetshakersInsider accepting ‘lay down misere’ surrender terms from the ACC Executive, it appears so.

  Has he/she also fallen in love with money & travel & meeting psycophantic  ‘YES-MEN’?  (psychophantic= psychology + sycophant).

   Congrats on your $8,000 conference.  ~Pastor Michael Cancer will be very pleased!~

    It is a sad day when one of the Pentecostal thinkers (needle in a haystack) contemplates giving up criticism.  There is so much to do to expose what is a  festering and influential sore inside the Australian Church.

You are a whistleblower.  You are needed.  Your talents are not wasted.  Other thinkers – now and in future – depend on access to QUALITY  information.

*****

Cogito, ergo sum  (I think, therefore I am|| Je pense donc je suis – Rene Descartes)

Christian ‘Elvis’ Ray Boltz takes PROZAC, makes PINK career move

Thanks to Joel for the alert Like a Funeral… Ray Boltz had been happily married 33 years with 4 children. With help from PROZAC, Ray wants to revive his career. So, one morning, he declares …
God didn’t make Adam & Eve, He created Adam & Steve!
Raymond later trots off to his local homosexual Metropolitan ‘Church’. Don’t be seduced!! There IS help for those wanting to resist this form of Political Correctness ==>  
EXODUS  INTERNATIONAL

 

KEY CHANGES
from Gospel singer Ray Boltz shares coming out journey – Washington Blade queer magazine)

Joey DiGuglielmo [Not a Planetshakers Pastor!!]
September 12, 2008

Ray Boltz wanted to do something nice.

He’d visited the mostly gay Jesus Metropolitan Community Church in Indianapolis and liked Rev. Jeff Miner, so he decided to give him a copy of his 1997 holiday recording, “A Christmas Album.”

It was one of 16 albums Boltz, 55, recorded during a nearly 20-year recording career that saw the Muncie, Ind., native become one of the better-known singer/songwriters in Contemporary Christian Music, a genre born out of the Jesus Movement of the early 1970s that made singers like Amy Grant, Sandi Patty, Michael W. Smith and Steven Curtis Chapman superstars in religious music with occasional excursions into mainstream pop culture.

Boltz, with about 4.5 million LPs, cassettes and CDs sold, never made a splash outside of Christian circles but he never really tried. With a handful of RIAA Gold-certified albums, three Dove Awards from the Gospel Music Association (GMA) and a string of 12 No. 1 hits on Christian radio, Boltz is a household name in evangelical circles. “Thank You,” (music) a sentimental song about a dream in which a Christian thanks the Sunday school teacher who led him to embrace Christ, is his signature song. It was the GMA song of the year in 1990 and has become a staple of Christian funerals. Other Boltz trademarks are “Watch the Lamb,” “The Anchor Holds” & “I Pledge Allegiance to the Lamb (Godtubevideo, location – Colosseum)”

Boltz brought the Christmas CD with him to MCC-Indianapolis on that cold, sunny December 2007 day and slipped it to see Jeff Miner on his way out with a note taped to it on which he’d jotted his e-mail address.

Ostensibly it was an innocuous thing to do, but for Boltz it was a big step. It eventually led to him opening up to Miner, one of the first times anybody outside Boltz’s circle of family and friends knew his long-kept secret: Ray Boltz is gay.

“I didn’t make a big deal of it,” Boltz says during a 90-minute phone interview from his home in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. “But I was trembling. I’d kind of had two identities since I moved to Florida where I kind of had this other life and I’d never merged the two lives. This was the first time I was taking my old life as Ray Boltz, the gospel singer, and merging it with my new life. Emotionally it was kind of a big deal to think about that.”

Ray Boltz was tired of living a lie.

He’d gotten to a point nearly three years before where he couldn’t continue down the road his life had gone.

His 33-year marriage to ex-wife Carol was, he says, largely a happy one. It produced four children — three daughters and a son who are now between 22 and 32 — but family life and going through the motions of being straight had grown so wearying to Boltz, he was in a serious depression, had been in therapy for years, was on Prozac and other anti-depressants and had been, for a time, suicidal.

“I thought I hid it really well,” he says. “I didn’t know people could see what I was going through, the darkness and the struggle. After I came out to my family, one of my daughters said she was afraid to walk in my bedroom because she was afraid she’d find me — that I’d done something to myself. And I didn’t even know they’d picked it up.”

The Boltz family remembers Dec. 26, 2004 for two reasons: the tsunami in the Indian Ocean but also the tsunami that their husband and father unleashed when he told them what had been bothering him for so many years.

. . .

 

Further info ==>

 Ray Boltz (Wikipedia) Ray Boltz (Christian Music history)

Ray Boltz Official WebSite

Entertaining Ray Boltz video – location Botswana (Godtube)

CCM veteran Ray Boltz comes out (Sept 17 2008, Belief.net)

Another hit against us (Sept 17 2008, Russell Korets’s Weblog)

Ray Boltz to lead ‘Our Family Matters‘ gay conference (Sept 23 2008, Belief.net)

Gay Christian Movement WATCH